Who makes the best supercharger
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It's a hard comparison because its like comparing Apples to Oranges, some like Apples some like Oranges. Plus your not saying how wild you want to go which would play a big part in the decision...
I can tell you this... I've had 5 Supercharged Fords in a row now and have tried Stock Eatons, Ported Eatons, Magnum Powers, 2.6 KB, 2.3 Whipple, and now a 2.8H. There is NOTHING like the INSTANT Power & Boost a Twin Screw or Roots Supercharger will give you, (especially over 20lbs of it
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Not saying the Centrifugal arent Bad Ass too, amof there are some
advantages with the Centrifugal. What I'm saying is they clearly perform differently that the Roots or Twin Screws. I'm going on the assumption your talking about a P-1SC at modest Boost and not a F-3 that can handle 2500 HP
With that said if your 98 is a stock block and or has high miles the Centrifugal may be a better choice for a few reason. #1 you can install the entire kit in 1 day and be driving it that night, #2 you can drive around with the Centrifugal 24/7 and never even know it's there. AMOF in most cases you wont even go into boost unless your really step into it.
#3 It's alot easier on a stock block because it's not in the boost 24/7.
The good news is they still give you the massive power gains and low ET's you want at the track when you do really step into them.
Here's a before and after on my old 99GT. I installed it in one day and cleaned the entire engine compartment. Not the nicest looking but I bought a used set up for a Cobra and had to make it fit a GT
I can tell you this... I've had 5 Supercharged Fords in a row now and have tried Stock Eatons, Ported Eatons, Magnum Powers, 2.6 KB, 2.3 Whipple, and now a 2.8H. There is NOTHING like the INSTANT Power & Boost a Twin Screw or Roots Supercharger will give you, (especially over 20lbs of it
) Not saying the Centrifugal arent Bad Ass too, amof there are some
advantages with the Centrifugal. What I'm saying is they clearly perform differently that the Roots or Twin Screws. I'm going on the assumption your talking about a P-1SC at modest Boost and not a F-3 that can handle 2500 HP
With that said if your 98 is a stock block and or has high miles the Centrifugal may be a better choice for a few reason. #1 you can install the entire kit in 1 day and be driving it that night, #2 you can drive around with the Centrifugal 24/7 and never even know it's there. AMOF in most cases you wont even go into boost unless your really step into it.
#3 It's alot easier on a stock block because it's not in the boost 24/7.
The good news is they still give you the massive power gains and low ET's you want at the track when you do really step into them.
Here's a before and after on my old 99GT. I installed it in one day and cleaned the entire engine compartment. Not the nicest looking but I bought a used set up for a Cobra and had to make it fit a GT
It's a hard comparison because its like comparing Apples to Oranges, some like Apples some like Oranges. Plus your not saying how wild you want to go which would play a big part in the decision...
I can tell you this... I've had 5 Supercharged Fords in a row now and have tried Stock Eatons, Ported Eatons, Magnum Powers, 2.6 KB, 2.3 Whipple, and now a 2.8H. There is NOTHING like the INSTANT Power & Boost a Twin Screw or Roots Supercharger will give you, (especially over 20lbs of it )
Not saying the Centrifugal arent Bad Ass too, amof there are some
advantages with the Centrifugal. What I'm saying is they clearly perform differently that the Roots or Twin Screws. I'm going on the assumption your talking about a P-1SC at modest Boost and not a F-3 that can handle 2500 HP
With that said if your 98 is a stock block and or has high miles the Centrifugal may be a better choice for a few reason. #1 you can install the entire kit in 1 day and be driving it that night, #2 you can drive around with the Centrifugal 24/7 and never even know it's there. AMOF in most cases you wont even go into boost unless your really step into it.
#3 It's alot easier on a stock block because it's not in the boost 24/7.
The good news is they still give you the massive power gains and low ET's you want at the track when you do really step into them.
Here's a before and after on my old 99GT. I installed it in one day and cleaned the entire engine compartment. Not the nicest looking but I bought a used set up for a Cobra and had to make it fit a GT
I can tell you this... I've had 5 Supercharged Fords in a row now and have tried Stock Eatons, Ported Eatons, Magnum Powers, 2.6 KB, 2.3 Whipple, and now a 2.8H. There is NOTHING like the INSTANT Power & Boost a Twin Screw or Roots Supercharger will give you, (especially over 20lbs of it
) Not saying the Centrifugal arent Bad Ass too, amof there are some
advantages with the Centrifugal. What I'm saying is they clearly perform differently that the Roots or Twin Screws. I'm going on the assumption your talking about a P-1SC at modest Boost and not a F-3 that can handle 2500 HP
With that said if your 98 is a stock block and or has high miles the Centrifugal may be a better choice for a few reason. #1 you can install the entire kit in 1 day and be driving it that night, #2 you can drive around with the Centrifugal 24/7 and never even know it's there. AMOF in most cases you wont even go into boost unless your really step into it.
#3 It's alot easier on a stock block because it's not in the boost 24/7.
The good news is they still give you the massive power gains and low ET's you want at the track when you do really step into them.
Here's a before and after on my old 99GT. I installed it in one day and cleaned the entire engine compartment. Not the nicest looking but I bought a used set up for a Cobra and had to make it fit a GT
Thanks
Believe me when I tell you owning those 5 Supercharged Fords in a Row cost me my retirement so I'm glad I can give back something once in a while
Whats a 99GT have 260 HP at the flywheel and maybe 215 - 220 at the rear wheels. Bolt a simple P-1SC on it and you can add 70% RWHP to it.
It may not seem like a ton of HP but the story behind my 99GT was funny. I sold a fully Built 600+ RWHP Lightning and when I drove the GT I was like HELL NO... In less than 4 weeks I had 4.11's in it, MGW Shifter, SVT Focus Pump, Lightning Injectors & Maf, DR's, New Rims, the P-1SC ProCharger, and full Suspension Mods.
Couldnt get it to hook worth a shit but man that car went from dull to a frigging rocket ship over night
This picture is pretty embarassing, amof the next day I bought another fully built AUTOMATIC Lightning that had 780 RWHP on it's KILL TUNE
(ran 9.74 @ 138.76 MPH and 9.99 at 136.76 MPH)
As said I couldnt get the GT to hook worth a chit...
All I got out of it was a 12.7 that day but it had the MPH for 11's no prob,
I guess for street tune and trim I couldnt complain, it was a HELL OF A LOT faster than stock, thats for sure....
Here's a little vid where I basically launched at idle so I didnt repeat what happen on the pic above and I smoked the tires down the entire track
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Believe me when I tell you owning those 5 Supercharged Fords in a Row cost me my retirement so I'm glad I can give back something once in a while
Whats a 99GT have 260 HP at the flywheel and maybe 215 - 220 at the rear wheels. Bolt a simple P-1SC on it and you can add 70% RWHP to it.
It may not seem like a ton of HP but the story behind my 99GT was funny. I sold a fully Built 600+ RWHP Lightning and when I drove the GT I was like HELL NO... In less than 4 weeks I had 4.11's in it, MGW Shifter, SVT Focus Pump, Lightning Injectors & Maf, DR's, New Rims, the P-1SC ProCharger, and full Suspension Mods.
Couldnt get it to hook worth a shit but man that car went from dull to a frigging rocket ship over night
This picture is pretty embarassing, amof the next day I bought another fully built AUTOMATIC Lightning that had 780 RWHP on it's KILL TUNE
(ran 9.74 @ 138.76 MPH and 9.99 at 136.76 MPH)
As said I couldnt get the GT to hook worth a chit...
All I got out of it was a 12.7 that day but it had the MPH for 11's no prob,
I guess for street tune and trim I couldnt complain, it was a HELL OF A LOT faster than stock, thats for sure....
Here's a little vid where I basically launched at idle so I didnt repeat what happen on the pic above and I smoked the tires down the entire track
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Luckyy S.O.B with those forged internals!..i have stock block & internals with a 2.1L KB on my car and like rob said theres nothing like instant boost...idk wut ur plans are..street?track?. but lets just say the KB on the street is WILD. i only have 10psi and 400rwhp and wut a difference it is...plus theres nothing like the KB WHINE...ik i'm talking the KB up bc yes i did buy one this year.. but i didnt want 2 stomp on it and have the car pick up decent until it hits higher RPM's like with the centri's.. i wanted 2 stomp it and feel the power pretty much instantly. KB's or whipples are just torque monsters!..goodluck with w.e choice u make! i want 2 see some video's when its all said & done
...ik i'm talking the KB up bc yes i did buy one this year.. but i didnt want 2 stomp on it and have the car pick up decent until it hits higher RPM's like with the centri's.. i wanted 2 stomp it and feel the power pretty much instantly. KB's or whipples are just torque monsters!..goodluck with w.e choice u make! i want 2 see some video's when its all said & done
The forged internal install starts next week, but the KB wont be going in till spring. I wish I could get it all done before i put the car away for winter, but I'll def post some videos when the car is done. And I plan on just having it as a street car. By the way how much boost do you think I can run with the forged internals???
Smart place to be Chuck they claim the stock rods are good to @ 450.
400 RWHP is a HUGE difference from stock and pretty got dam impressive in a Stang
Street Stang are you going with Ported Heads ???
In anycase if your going with forged internals there's no reason you cant go to a bigger SC and pump that Bad Boy up. Most Built Motors should be good for 800 - 1000 HP, why not got with a 2.6 ???
Not sure I believe the #'s but this quote is straight from KB's site
The 2.6L BIG BORE picks up where the popular 2.1L BIG BORE 431HP 9 psi kit leaves off. Whereas the 2.1L is an "everything you need" kit, the 2.6L demands various stages of upgrades depending on your HP goals (see Tech Tips). It has a wide boost range of 9-26 psi to cover any application or combination. It covers a power range of 500-950+HP and is recommended for any built forged piston and rod 4.6. Note: Stock 4.6 rods and pistons are rated at 450HP, so the BIG BORE 2.6L is not recommended for stock engines.
On our Dynojet, the 2.6L kit at 20 psi made 682HP on a 8.1 compression ratio 4.6 GT with ported heads, cam and headers. That was 30 more HP than our Cobra test car at the same 20 psi boost. Obviously, the Kenne Bell and Ford 4.6 make for a great combination.
One day I really really have to mount a camera in my car again and make a GOOD VIDEO. I made this one the first day I got it and was having a little trouble keeping it straight at times I didnt kill it too bad or anything but there's a few times I pan by the Boost Gauge and give it a little stab and you'll see it catches over 20lbs of boost INSTANTLY. If you go built I see no reason you cant do the same...
keep your eye around here, 20lbs on my gauge is 3:00
(and thats with my big upper pulley, I have other Pulley Combo's to give me MORE Boost)
Little Teaser Video
they claim the stock rods are good to @ 450. 400 RWHP is a HUGE difference from stock and pretty got dam impressive in a Stang
Street Stang are you going with Ported Heads ???
In anycase if your going with forged internals there's no reason you cant go to a bigger SC and pump that Bad Boy up. Most Built Motors should be good for 800 - 1000 HP, why not got with a 2.6 ???
Not sure I believe the #'s but this quote is straight from KB's site
The 2.6L BIG BORE picks up where the popular 2.1L BIG BORE 431HP 9 psi kit leaves off. Whereas the 2.1L is an "everything you need" kit, the 2.6L demands various stages of upgrades depending on your HP goals (see Tech Tips). It has a wide boost range of 9-26 psi to cover any application or combination. It covers a power range of 500-950+HP and is recommended for any built forged piston and rod 4.6. Note: Stock 4.6 rods and pistons are rated at 450HP, so the BIG BORE 2.6L is not recommended for stock engines.
On our Dynojet, the 2.6L kit at 20 psi made 682HP on a 8.1 compression ratio 4.6 GT with ported heads, cam and headers. That was 30 more HP than our Cobra test car at the same 20 psi boost. Obviously, the Kenne Bell and Ford 4.6 make for a great combination.
One day I really really have to mount a camera in my car again and make a GOOD VIDEO. I made this one the first day I got it and was having a little trouble keeping it straight at times
I didnt kill it too bad or anything but there's a few times I pan by the Boost Gauge and give it a little stab and you'll see it catches over 20lbs of boost INSTANTLY. If you go built I see no reason you cant do the same...keep your eye around here, 20lbs on my gauge is 3:00
(and thats with my big upper pulley, I have other Pulley Combo's to give me MORE Boost)
Little Teaser Video
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You ought to feel a 2.8H @ 600 RWHP as a street tune
Bro NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE Vid's
Car pulls like a Mo Fo and sounds GREAT!!!
It would take a lot of balls and space for me to stay in mine that long on the street but eww eww I will try it some day
Bro NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE Vid's
Car pulls like a Mo Fo and sounds GREAT!!!
It would take a lot of balls and space for me to stay in mine that long on the street but eww eww I will try it some day
may i ask who's doing the forged internals on ur car? what parts ur putting in and what the price is looking like to do so?...400rwhp was great increase from stock but i think next summer i want to up my boost...if u dont wanna put it all over here then just PM me the answers 2 those questions.
Thanks.
Thanks.
A local mechanic that builds race engines for different circuits at the Mohawk International raceway. He quoted me 2500 for the parts and work, and that included porting and polishing. Price may end up higher with some of the new parts I'm looking at like Lunati Voodoo blower cams. He recently rebuilt my rearend with new 3.73 and put in a stage 3 f1 racing clutch kit. He did an awsome job and likes to have the car in and out as fast as possible.
