Wow, I just read this whole thread since I missed it from the start. Point of the matter is that there will just about always be something bigger, better, and faster then what you have. I give credit to wherever it is due, be it import, domestic, or European. I think that a lot of people just call anything modified that isn't domestic rice now. Thanks to 16- 17 years old kids putting fart cans and universal CAI on Civics and driving like an ass/acting cocky. They cause generalizations so when there is a tastefully/fast import people almost always label it a ricer. I just think people need to open their eyes and have a more open mind, some one modding an Audi, or an S2000 is just like one of us modding our Stangs. They put lot's of time, care, money, and devotion into something that get's labeled as rice. I'm not saying you need to respect Civics with a fart can but just keep an open mind with cars that are peoples pride and joys. To sum it up, I agree with Mike, to each his own. That's just my .02 though.